Tuesday, March 28, 2006

NFL - No Fun League? NFL might rein in TD celebrations

Why does anyone in the NFL think this is a problem? Sure, a lot of endzone celebrations are uncalled for, bad, and we would be better off without them. But some are good, creative and make the game that much more entertaining. The best way to make them go away though, is not to make rules against them, but to ignore them. If the league is really so opposed to them, treat it like they do when a fan comes on the field, and turn the camera away. Of course they won't do that, though, because they want to have it both ways. Some celebrations are fun and add to the game, and some suck and take away from the game, but all these stupid rules against them only take away from the game.

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Me4Prez said...

I agree with you. I think if it looks spontaneous, let it go. That doesn't mean it can't be preplanned, just don't do a complete dance routine

Chris Howard said...

Yes, both the NFL and the NCAA missed the boat on this years ago. These are grown men playing a sport. Let them celebrate and dance, and if someone's feelings get hurt, oh fucking well, better luck next time. The NCAA took it to ridiculous extremes, to the point where it's almost impossible to express your happiness or excitement on the field. The NFL hadn't gotten that bad yet, but I guess they're on their way.

beakerkin said...

The dancing is low class and should be banned. Barry Sanders reached the endzone and acted like a pro.

If you want to watch low class people dancing watch Wrestling.

Chris Howard said...

Well, Beaker it's nice to know that we can disagree on more than one subject. See the problem as I see it is that once they start making rules about celebration, they end up stifling true celebration as well as the choreographed stuff. Just look at the ridiclous situation in the NCAA. I'd much rather put up with TO and his Sharpie and still have guys high-fiving, spiking the ball, showing emotion however it comes out. If a guy goes over the top, then the other team needs to shut him up on the field. It's an emotional game, just let them play.

John Howard said...

I like some of the choreographed stuff, and some of the spontaneous stuff. And there are examples of either that I don't like. But I'll take the bad with the good. as much as I hate the Redskins, The Fun Bunch was a great celebration, that wouldn't be allowed today. These rules are stupid.

Barry Sanders did act like a pro when he reached the endzone, and that's fine, but that doesn't make Chad Johnson any less of a pro because he likes to celebrate. He just embraces his role as both athlete AND entertainer, and good for him.

By the way, Barry Sanders is the most overrated player in the history of sports.

Robert Bayn said...

Banning TD celebrations is just stupid.

John, Barry is one of the best ever in the history of Football, had he continued the would have broken the record for most career yards, he step aside when the game was no longer fun for him, i respect that, more than i will people like T.O. who are out there just to make money and could careless about the sport.

Robert Bayn said...

Beak,

What's up with the cheap shot on wrestling, your a republican, the majority of your followers watch Wrestling.

Lex said...

I'm a Panthers fan, so given Steve Smith's choreography, I'm not exactly impartial. But it IS a game. It IS entertainment. As long as it doesn't delay the game, why not let 'em celebrate?

John Howard said...

Barry is one of the best ever, but he is also overrated. He never won anything, partly because he never showed up in the playoffs, and he had to be taken out of the game in a lot of situations because he wasn't a complete back.

Again, he is great, but there are probably 10 or 12 running backs I'd take over him if I was building a team.

As for TO, he shows up to play on gameday and that's all I care about.

Robert Bayn said...

Barry never won anything because the Lion's sucked, that has nothing to do with if he is overrated or not. T.O. is overrated though.

Me4Prez said...

I think Barry could have been better, but for years the Lions were happy with Barry and a bunch of guys they pulled from the stands as lineman. Most backs would have been killed behind that line.

John Howard said...

That's not true, Robert, when Barry was there, the Lions made the playoffs several times, including going to the NFC Title game in '91, but Barry never showed up in those playoff games, which might be why they never won anything.

TO is a jerk, but he is definitely not overrated. He's the best receiver in the league, and one of the top players in the league.

Robert Bayn said...

1991? Barry had barely gotten into the league in 1991, he never got the chance to really shine on a good team, Lions were always sub-par, and they continue to be.

I guess by your standards, anyone who is on a team that does not do well in the post season is over-rated, that don't seem very fair, since it is a team sport. Stats show Barry as one of the best ever. The only reasons Barry was taken out when it was 1 yard or 2 yards to go was because the Lions had this full back who was perfect in those situations.

John Howard said...

Barely gotten into the league? You're kidding, right? I don't care how long he was in the league (it was his third year), he rushed for over 1500 yards and led the league in TDs, so I don't think he was still feeling things out.

They also made the playoffs in '93, '94, 95 and 97, what's your excuse for him not performing well in most of those games (all losses)?

I didn't say Barry Sanders was overrated only because he didn't win anything, and I don't think that. I think he's overrated because he's not a complete back, and he didn't perform well when his team needed him the most. You can blame it on all the other players too, but he deserves some blame. It's not like he was rushing for 200 yards everytime they made the playoffs, but everyone else blew it. There are plently of people that are great that haven't won anything. And Barry Sanders is one of those. I'm not arguing that he isn't great, just that he's overrated. People seem to think he's the best ever, or close, but he just isn't. Everyone is blinded by the great highlights and doesn't look at the whole package.

Sure, he sometimes played on bad teams, but that's just an excuse. I'm not talking about his potential, I'm talking about what he actually accomplished, and in the end, he racked up a lot of yards and didn't do much else.

Barry was taken out on the goaline because his team didn't have confidence in his ability to score from that distance (to get the tough yards). I'm surprised you say that they had a FB who could get the job done (who would that be?) when during Barry's prime, the teams ran the run and shoot which didn't use a fullback.

I've had this argument many times with many people, and I just don't get why everyone is such a Barry Sanders apologist. I realize many people have a higher opinion of him than I do, but the facts back up my argument. Again, he's a great back, but there are many that are better. The stats show he is one of the greatest ever if you're only looking at yards. If you loot at ALL the stats, yards, TDs, receiving, blocking, wins, championships, MVPs, rushing titles, again he's great, but there are quite a few who edge him out with the complete package.

John Howard said...

By the way, another running back who came into the league the year after Barry Sanders won a Super Bowl in his 3rd year (also his 4th and 6th) and led the league in rushing (which he also did the previous year and the following year), so it's not like the third year is too early to expect anything out of a running back. he's one of the many backs I'd take over Barry Sanders, along with Jim Brown, Walter Payton, OJ Simpson, Eric Dickerson, Marshall Faulk, Marcus Allen, Tony Dorsett, Franco Harris, Larry Czonka, etc. I'm sure I left someone out, but these are off the top of my head. Guys that could produce numbers and help their teams win.

Robert Bayn said...

How many yards did Barry get in those games, and how well did the other players on the team perform, that would be interesting to see.

John Howard said...

That's what I'm telling you, Robert, Barry didn't show up in those games. He rushed for over 100 yards in a playoff game once, and that was the one his team won. If he had showed up in the other ones, maybe they would have won some more of them. He actually rushed for -1 yards in a playoff game against Green Bay. That's awful, and it's not what the all time greats do in the biggest games. Look up his playoff stats, I think you'll be surprised.

Robert Bayn said...

Maybe so, but many players choke in the playoffs, but that don't make them over rated, would you consider Payton Manning over rated?

John Howard said...

Actually, I think it does make him overrated. It's not about how good he is, it's that the perception of him is better than he deserves.

I don't consider Manning overrated. First, because his reputation generally includes the fact that he doesn't get the job done in the playoffs, and second because he isn't done yet. I don't hear a lot of people making excuses for Peyton's playoff failures, but everyone is willing to overlook Sanders'. I just don't know why.

Robert Bayn said...

Probably the same reason your willing to over look Manning, i consider Manning to be over rated, and he is, until he wins the big one.

I guess if we are talking about Sanders though, remember he never had the Troy Aikman or Micheal Irvin, the load was on his shoulders.

My final thought, because this has been interesting to say the least, is Barry's production in the playoffs should have no bearing on what kind of player he was, it's a team sport, he was one of the greatest most agree with that, over rated is really up to personal opinion, i'm just one of those that don't feel he was.

Good debate here though John.

John Howard said...

I don't overlook anyting with Manning. I don't think he's overrated because no one discounts his failure to win it all. No one makes excuses for it, that's my whole point with Barry Sanders. Everyone makes excuses for him. What if he had a better team, what if he hadn't retired early? What if...

As for Sanders not having a team around him, again, the team was good enough to get to the playoffs, including to the NFC title game, but his performances in those games was not up to his standards, which could be just as much a reason why they lost as anything else.

Of course his playoff performance impacts his legacy, how could it not? It is a team sport, and his team could have been better, but it was what it was, and that is what I'm basing my statment on. What actually happened, not what could have been. Maybe if he played for another team, he would have come through in the playoffs and won SuperBowls, and if he had, I wouldn't be saying he was overrated. But those things didn't happen.