Thursday, July 28, 2005

Over There

I watched this new show on FX last night. I missed the first ten minutes, so I'll have to try and catch that sometime. from the first episode, it looked like it's going to be pretty good. Sure makes you see a little more clearly what it might be like for the poor guys that have to fight over there.

I mean, you know they're constantly in danger, and could get killed or injured at any time, but the thing that struck me watching that show was how incredibly miserable and bored (not to mention hot) they have to be even when they're not in the middle of any kind of action. Just sitting out there in the sun waiting, I couldn't do it.

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The Disgruntled Chemist said...

I watched it last night too.

I thought they maybe could have spent a little more time on character development and less on gratuitous bloodiness, but then I guess that's what war is. It seemed like they were really trying to cram as much emotional expression and insight into the characters as they could in a very short time, so they could get back to the shooting and land mines.

It was a very watchable show, though, and I'm sure I'll keep watching. Out here on the West Coast they showed the pilot twice back to back...did they not do that for you? Anyway, the first ten minutes were pretty much the same as the overall episode, so you can guess what you missed.

John Howard said...

Yeah they showed it twice, but I forgot about it until just after the second one started.

Fixer said...

Heh. More people should watch it.

The Disgruntled Chemist said...

Fixer, I hope more people do watch it, but only if it makes them think about how horrible war is at least three times during the hour, and makes them question why Chimpy got us into such a waste of young life for essentially no reason at least once.

If they're entertained by all of the battle scenes and come out of it feeling better about this war, not only do I not want them watching it, I want them chemically castrated.

John Howard said...

When that kid started talking about going to college and playing football and stuff, you knew something bad was going to happen to him. But that is the kind of human face people need to see in this war. These are real people over there whose lives are put on hold, screwed up, and in a lot of cases ended.

Jeri said...

I found the scenes at the beginning where the soldiers were leaving their families to be some of the most moving of the show. Hopefully the conservatives will realize, "Oh shit, we're taking mothers away from their children and leaving them in the hands of, -gasp- fathers! This must be stopped!"

I will definitely watch it again.

Always Sourced, Never Disputed said...

Jeri.. If I may be so bold as to speak for conservatives in general

We know and we have children, other relatives, and friends who have gone and some who have come back. Many of us serve or have served in the military and we know what war is we do not need to watch some Hollywood producers version of it.

We also know that someday these guys and gals are going to nuke one of our cities.

Those of us with smaller children worry that we will finally realize the threat of China and North Korea when our children are of military age.

John Howard said...

asnd, anyone who supports the war in Iraq most likely doesn't understand the cost of that war, or doesn't care. War is not something to be started lightly without plans and based on lies. Saying that someone is going to one day nuke one of our cities may very wel be true, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with the war in Iraq.

Always Sourced, Never Disputed said...

How about using chemical weapons on the KUrds?

How about failing to comply with UN resolutions after having been forcibly ejected from a neighboring country you evaded?

How about engaging in the largest fraud in history involving the highest member countries and officials of the UN?

How about possessing rockets in violation of UN resolutions? Do you really believe he was going to package sunshine and send it as a gift?

The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people. Bringing change in Baghdad will take time and effort. We will strengthen our engagement with the full range of Iraqi opposition forces and work with them effectively and prudently. Bill Clinton Dec 16,1998

John Howard said...

Saddam was a bad guy, no one is debating that. That doesn't mean any action taken which results in getting rid of Saddam is necessarily a good thing. Iraq is a mess, and there is no reason to think that it won't be a mess anytime in the near future.

Why are you quoting BillClinton? I assume you think I worship him the same way the right worships Bush, but I don't. If Bill Clinton had done any of the things Bush has done, I would be just as upset with him. Anyway, the people on the right who like to point out how Clinton wanted to get rid of Saddam are missing one very important fact, he never actually did it, which means at the end of the day, for whatever reason, he must not have felt it was worth it.